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|25/02/2013 3:02 PM||
|So Masood Sharif Khattak is also leaving PTI. He is for sure a seat in KP. So that is one seat we are losing for sure.
His issue is that PTI seems to be becoming a king's party, with many sycophants, with the top tier and specially Imran Khan not having/providing access to the masses and voters of this party. There used to be a time when things put on this forum would get to the top tier. Now it seems that all the comes out is what the central executive committee thinks and plans. Case in point: People on this forum really appreciated the decision that we didn't join TUQ's march. That should have been a sign that we really should stay away from TUQ. But our CEC, which has members who do politics the usual way (which includes making alliances), decided that we should send 2 of our stalwarts to meet him and then hold a joint press conference with the same man who has held multiple meetings with PPP and MQM.
First it was Shireen Mazari and then Admiral Javed. Even though MSK was not an old member of this party, he is a man of integrity and has defended PTIs position and has praised IK on many different forums. If there is still some way that what happens on this forum still gets heard at the top tier then IK should look into this.
He is a leader of a political party. Rhetoric alone will not win us the elections (we don't have the best orators anyways). His ego of not reaching out to even people who are ideologues and have worked for democracy is against the notion of being a political leader, whose job is to build consensus and to bring into the fold people who are frustrated. If we only keep on praising ourselves, all we achieve is being an echo chamber. Our job is to win the elections with candidates who have a good reputation and are in line with our ideology. Hopefully the leadership realizes this before its too late.|
|25/02/2013 10:46 PM||
|If Masood Sharif Khtak is leaving PTI, then why he joined. I dont think so, he will leave PTI. My suggestion to PTI leaders, please be in furm contact with party main figures and if possible please bring back Mazari and Admiral Javed. Its not PTI insult to bring them back but it will add up to our respects. |
|25/02/2013 11:20 PM||
There are two sides to generally most stories and this is no exception.
Please see a news story from Dawn from last year.
I am not sure of what caused latest outburst from Masood Sharif Khattak (MSK). He called the entire party election unfair on twitter, which is very unbecoming of him. He actually went ranting without ever giving specifics of any kind, which makes me suspicious. Still, we don't have the facts between what happened, but my suspicions are that may be wanted greater role in KPK/Karak, but then he should have contested elections. Even now, he can easily be party's ticket from Karak MNA seat. All this creates a confusing picture on what is real behind the scenes story.
TUQ is a separate issue. It is interesting to note that MSK went to TUQ dharna without party consultation or permission and very loudly defended his position. Him and Leghari actually put PTI in tricky spot at the time.
In short, I don't think we can take MSK story at its face value...IMHO.
|25/02/2013 11:31 PM||
|What is going on within the party? Are we wasting our time on this forum? I have never seen any CEC member's reply to any thread. People leaving party why? |
I don't know this man personally but whenever I see him in any talk show, he always performs well as a PTI spokesperson. Why a person like him would write lots of tweets to show his discomfort with top leadership? Can anyone request him not to leave please. We are here together for Pakistan not for some personalities.
|25/02/2013 11:56 PM||
|Problem is that Masood sb doesnt work in a lobby. For instance someone from Jahangir Tareens lobby is indirectly connected to IK through one tier. |
Similarly for people in SMQs lobby, in JHs lobby.
Masood sb, since isnt part of a lobby and has no representation in the PSC, is feeling left out and rightly so.
How would he ever communicat to IK? CEC hasnt convened in ages, PSC doesnt include his name.
Now with all due respect to Arif Alvi, Naeem ul Haque, Hammad Azhar, Asad Umar .. they combined dont have the political experience Masood sb has and yet he is put out and these folks are in the PSC.
His grevance is very genuine and the treatment metted out to him is not heartening.
|26/02/2013 2:30 AM||
|With due respect to Khattak saab, I don't think you could blame anybody for this. Everybody knows PTI is going through intra-party elections, and CEC has been dissolved. Everybody must contest party elections. If he chose not to contest, whose fault is that? |
He might be thinking that he would become KPK President, but he is not willing to work for that, I think.
By the way, just watch his performance in Talat Hussain's show of February 20, 2013.
He seems to be advocating that there is nothing wrong in being tax evader, everybody must be allowed to contest general elections and let people decide who is tax evader or not. Does that make sense to any of you? If that is the case, why do we have any rules or law? Let people decide for everything.
If he chose to separate his ways, let's just respect his opinion and move on. PTI is not about personalities. PTI is about its idealogy. PTI cannot support tax evaders, no matter who he is.
|26/02/2013 2:57 AM||
|he was big supporter of tahir ul qadri. he always wanted to be in CEC, he never contested local party elections, just ranting on twitter will not help|
|26/02/2013 3:06 AM||
|PTI politics looks to be over now, I dont know why my passion is still with PTI but my sense says to me, "NO WAY".|
PTI politics is not based on right or left
But based on right or wrong.
|26/02/2013 4:10 AM||
|All the other members currently in the CEC and PSC have taken part in local party elections? NO! And they don't need to. Most of them are well intentioned people with political and technical acumen and we respect them due to that. If another person (Masood Sharif Khattak being the latest) asks for it, that becomes a crime? |
So what if he was a big supporter of TUQ (which I am not sure how one decides)? Didn't our leadership meet him later and held a press conference with him anyways? And was there any directive against it? No! On the contrary IK said that PTIs youth should wait for his call. When there was so much confusion in the party (and the country), it really isn't an issue whether he went or not.
The issue right now if of respect and 3 seats !!! If we believe our rhetoric of change alone will gets all the seats and the votes then this discussion need not go further (because then its better to agree to disagree). Right now there are 2 provinces where we have a good shot at making a government: KP and Balochistan (if we are optimistic). KP is getting tougher since ANP-JUIF and JUIF-PMLN are going into alliances. In such a scenario losing even a single seat can not be afforded. We can indulge in self praise and how we are righteous but that won't win us the elections with a majority.
Out of lack of respect, 2 prominent ppl (Shireen Mazari and Adml Javed) left already. They didn't leave because they were opportunists (Adml Javed was with the party way before Oct 2011) or that they were afraid to contest party elections. It was lack of respect and lack of access to IK. If IK listened to these people before the influx of people that happened after Oct 2011, they deserved to be listened to later on as well.
I have been saying time and time again that IK needs to give people respect and understand that strictness in abiding to laws only goes so far. Issuing a show cause notice to a senior member like Shireen Mazari wasn't the way to go either. IK made a mistake when he gave the impression that we will be joining PMLNs dharna to protect the EC. Did we end up sending him a show cause notice? This analogy isn't perfect, but it conveys the gist.
BOTTOMLINE on my part is: All of us bleed for a better Pakistan the same. To do so, we need to come into power. To come into power, we need to win a majority. And if we really want to make Pakistan better, we have to abide by our principles and ideology. But that doesn't mean that our leader should put everything on internal party elections as a filtering mechanism. His duty is to build consensus and to bring frustrated people back into the fold. Doing so doesn't mean being hostage to those people, but it only means that those people are given respect and are heard to.
|26/02/2013 4:23 AM||
|Wait TILL 23rd MARCH dear, Insha ALLAH everything will be in hand. PAKVOICE ideas are nothing, they are doing just a rough job. dont be dis heart!|
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|26/02/2013 5:47 AM||
|@ Mikkix Bro keep ur passion alive.picture abhi Bali gai mare dost.what u mean to say is that u lost hope.|
Donot take these surveys as ultimate result bro.
Let us see at iri survey that sample size of their shows that in whole sample
percentage of 18-25age participants is only 21.
There are 4 crore new voters which is almost I think 40 percent
of total votes.80percent of these voters are PTI voters.
Also plz don't forget pakistan politics schenero changes
with only 2big jalsas.Bro wait fr 23 March which is game changer.
|26/02/2013 7:38 AM||
|Again, please watch his show with Talat. He is a traditional politician. It's hard for people like these to survice in PTI. Here is a good old post from Noevember 2012: |
Tuesday, November 27, 2012
My resignation from PTI, with a heavy heart
Dear Chairman Imran Khan
With a heavy heart, we are highlighting following points that are causing discomfort among party workers.
1) PTI has failed to implement a system of justice within its own ranks.
2) The lack of accountability within PTI is not acceptable to us.
3) Response of the Senior Leadership team to the resignation of many other veteran leaders (local as well as overseas) has not been encouraging. If a party cannot value its ideological workers then it is not the party of change in Pakistan.
4) The party has forgotten its roots and cronyism is on the rise.
5) If PTI cannot provide justice within, will it be able to do so for the Nation?
6) PTI's social media team is busy in conspiracies and propaganda against party people.
7) PTI failed to become voice of the people on issues like drone attacks, NATO supplies, Shia genocide, Malala attack.
8) PTI failed to deliver on its commitments about offering solid policies for solving Pakistan's problems. There are several flaws in the policies and the Think Tank leaders are responsible for the same.
9) PTI is no more the harbinger of change that it once was. Old political gurus have taken over the party.
10) The Chairman is not the same anymore as he flies in Jets and roams around in Land Cruisers. If he can fall for a land cruiser today, imagine what he will do when he is in power.
We will continue to raise our voices for Justice but with a heavy heart, we are announcing our resignation from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf. Good bye.
All this sounds too familiar? Read such letters already? Yes, you are right.
Many such letters have propped up in the past few months on social media & have gone viral.
So I decided to summarize their contents and compile a 'Resignation Template' for easy reference & prospective future use of all those who think they aren't brave enough to stand by their leader when the winds are actually blowing against him. (They just have to type their own names in the end after Sincerely)
Now the quitters may say: what rubbish? we stood by Imran Khan for 5, 10, 15 years, at a time when he was a political nobody. So how can you call us "not brave enough"?
I beg your pardon Mr, Ms and Mrs (whatever applies). True you stood by Imran Khan but it was when he was a political nobody (yes you heard it right). People ignored him politically but liked him as a human being so associating yourself with such a person was socially rewarding. It was not limited to you but the feeling was share by many others even outside PTI. Just the way media persons and anchors liked to be seen interviewing him & cozying up with him, as it brought 'Ratings'.
Your association with Imran Khan or PTI was probably not political but only social. You thought of PTI as 'just another social club' where the affluent get together and discuss the problems of the 'poor nation', over a cup of cappuccino off-course. You either never expected Imran Khan's star to actually rise or you thought if it did rise, it would be a smooth sailing just like in Bollywood political movies where the public wakes up one day & rallies behind the hero for justice & CHANGE making him the country's leader while the status-quo politicians confess their crimes & retire or are jailed. THE END. You simply forgot that Pakistani politics is different from Yash Chopra's melodrama.
Here people did rally in support of the hero (Imran Khan in this case), starting 30 Oct 2011, but that was not the ultimate destination or the final CHANGE in any way. It was just a symptom of CHANGE that the people are ready. It didn't mean the status-quo was willing to repent & leave the field open for Imran Khan because of his good intentions. No, you were too naive if you expected a smooth sailing from the status-quo politicians. That was not supposed to happen.
Instead, a bitter campaign of propaganda, negative tactics, whisper campaign through media, character assassination and divide-and-rule was round the corner. While nobody quizzed PTI reps on media especially in talk shows before 30 Oct 2011, the situation took a 180 degrees turn afterwards. PTI reps started coming under fire on talk shows, even for such lame issues as "mismanagement in PTI Iftari at Cheechoo-ki-Maliyan" etc.
When the going got tough and opponents' propaganda started taking the toll on PTI, you (quitters) realized that PTI is no more the 'hot sensation' to be associated with. That the feeling of being righteous that you previously got by introducing yourself as a PTI-wala is now fading. That you have to answer the propaganda of opponents, some of which may be correct but most is plain propaganda.
So why associate with PTI when it has lost its nascence charm & shine? Why not quit & join some other 'social circle' where you don't have to be actually answerable for anything. From where, sitting on a high moral ground (due to the resignation letter) you can still comment on the dirt of politics & woes of the 'poor nation' and how your 'Ex' (PTI) has left its ideals and joined the bandwagon of status-quo.
The same talk-show anchors who used to scorn you due to association with PTI, now call you as experts-from-within to comment on the 'dirty' politics of PTI and the political U-turns of Imran Khan. You also have the freedom to criticize Imran Khan for having stepped back from his 'Nazariya'. Now you again have the same 'Feel-Good' status and the inherent satisfaction of being above the 'dirty politics of Pakistan'.
Let me tell you one thing folks, you (quitters) are mistaken. You think you will dissociate from PTI and your conscience will remain satisfied as you are the righteous ones??? Pardon me but you are seriously mistaken. You think PTI needs to correct its course on certain issues? Come on, play your part in doing so. Simply quitting is not the answer. Let me make it easy for you with some brainstorming.
I think (rather I am sure) that even today you people feel Imran Khan is Pakistan's only shot at success at the moment. Right?
I hope you agree that he is sincere in his plans for Pakistan even if you don't agree with his line of action. Right?
If so, it means you too believe that Imran Khan will never let Pakistan's interest be undermined. Right?
I also hope you are in politics for the country's interest too (since I don't suspect any personal interest), even if with a different line of action. Right?
This in turn means that you only have differences with Imran Khan's line of action and not his intentions. Right?
If so, then don't you think quitting was a poor poor idea in the first place?
Lets see another angle...
Do you think all the crooks sitting in PML-N, PPP, MQM, ANP, JUI, PMLQ etc are happy with their party colleagues or agree with everything their party decides or the course their party takes? No. Off-course no. What binds them together then? PERSONAL INTERESTS bind them together because a PPP MNA who may be abusing his leader in private, sticks to PPP only because he feels his personal interest is served in that party.
So if the BAD-GUYS can set aside all their differences & sit together to serve their personal interests, why can't the GOOD-GUYS sit together for the country's interest?
Do seriously ponder over it. But while doing so, do remember that Pakistan's next generation will hold us (and you) responsible if due to our follies & egos, this last hope of CHANGE is lost. If PTI is damaged due to your actions, you will be as much responsible for re-election of the crook rulers since you are 'technically' supporting them (by weakening PTI).
Do you want your (and our) children to be ruled by Bilawal Zardari, Maryam Nawaz, Musa Gilani, Sangeen Wali, Maulana LutfuRehman or Moonis Elahi? Only because our egos are too big to accommodate each other?
If a person of average intellect like me can comprehend this, why can't you INTELLECTUALS? I rest my case.
Shah Zalmay Khan.
The writer is a tribesman from Bajaur Agency and tweets at @PTI_FATA (no official association with PTI)
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|26/02/2013 7:45 AM||
|Our claim of being righteous must not reach the point of being delusional !!! |
The people that I have mentioned have left PTI and not joined other parties. My analysis is that Masood Sharif will not as well. This says something about them not being the opportunists most of us like to claim they are, and also says something about the kind of treatment they were getting in PTI.
|26/02/2013 9:26 AM||
|Sorry...im not agree with u...Dont blame if someone is not participating the election. This is Mr. Sharif decision. We have to respect his decision.|
|26/02/2013 11:29 AM||
|A great political and democratic party has to manage such issues. It is amazing that when anybody leaves ppp or pml n nobody takes care of. But if it is pti candidate it is a big news. Party should try to retain party supporters. Dont compromise party for an individual. People should vote for the party not people.|
|26/02/2013 11:38 AM||
|MSK's decision to not participate is his. However, he shouldn't have ranted about fairness of elections on twitter. This is damaging party directly, and is more of an ego issue. He can raise concerns about not getting heard or face time with IK, but ranting about elections is uncalled for. Still, party leaders can be large hearted and not create a Shireen Mazari type situation. |
I hope someone in PSC or IK himself calls him to calm him down and bring this to a harmonious conclusion.
|26/02/2013 11:41 AM||
|Honesty is the policy but one has to sacrifice most. One need courage like IK to become IK. He has a struggle for 16 years. He has a vision and passion. |
|26/02/2013 12:45 PM||
|My Conclusion...Only those will leave PTI who feel uncomfortable with the intra-party elections and are not confident to get sufficient support from the party members in these elections....|
|26/02/2013 12:46 PM||
|Nobody is calling him an opportunist. |
Just read the article I posted till end. You'll get your answer.
In my opinion, it's about ego. Who has the bigger ego? Who can sacrifice his ego for Pakistan? Is Mr Khattak greater than PTI? In my opinion, no. His actions are only damaging PTI and Pakistan's cause.
Just read that article I posted.
For me, even if Javed Hashmi or SMQ leave PTI, I don't care. I am here for IK and for PTI. I am here for IK's ideology. I trust this man with my soul. If somebody wants to help him make Pakistan a better place, most welcome. If somebody thinks he should be given "due" importance while he knows how busy PTI is currently at the moment, I am sorry, I don't care about such people.
I am sure the end-product (PTI) would be the best one Pakistan ever had. That's IK's promise and I trust him!
|26/02/2013 1:33 PM||
|I hope he doesnt leave PTI.. He is really a good honest man. Senior leadership must talk to him and take him in the team he is rightly so feeling left out. I hope IK himself talk to him. It will be really sad if he leaves.. He is a brilliant man|
!! .. Dreams to Reality .. !!
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